1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:10,839 [Music] 2 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:14,509 my title will changed a little bit and I 3 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:16,770 will be talking about partner to star as 4 00:00:21,860 --> 00:00:19,800 an analog for Titan like exoplanets so 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:21,870 I'm Ryan fault I'm a graduate student at 6 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:24,330 Catholic University in DC and I do my 7 00:00:28,820 --> 00:00:26,070 research on NASA Goddard Space Flight 8 00:00:31,010 --> 00:00:28,830 Center in Maryland and I first want to 9 00:00:32,779 --> 00:00:31,020 lay out some ground lay out some reasons 10 00:00:35,090 --> 00:00:32,789 for why we should care about Titan in 11 00:00:37,490 --> 00:00:35,100 the regards to this search for life 12 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:37,500 so as of that we have about 4,000 exit 13 00:00:42,410 --> 00:00:39,870 plants that we've detected it has and 14 00:00:45,549 --> 00:00:42,420 since we believe every star has at least 15 00:00:50,270 --> 00:00:45,559 one planet that means as telescope 16 00:00:53,419 --> 00:00:50,280 capabilities and mere size increase over 17 00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:53,429 the next year's and decades then the 18 00:00:57,410 --> 00:00:55,559 number of planets we have number of 19 00:00:59,829 --> 00:00:57,420 exoplanets that we have available to us 20 00:01:03,169 --> 00:00:59,839 to study this is going to expand 21 00:01:06,860 --> 00:01:03,179 exponentially and Titan with this very 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:06,870 rates organic atmosphere and probably 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:10,530 lifeless planet or lifeless moon means 24 00:01:15,140 --> 00:01:12,570 that we can use this to study and 25 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:15,150 compare against exoplanets we find in 26 00:01:18,260 --> 00:01:16,680 future we're trying to look for that 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:18,270 earth 2.0 essentially we're going to 28 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:22,050 need to separate the lifeless from the 29 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:25,350 life bearing or habitable once and Titan 30 00:01:30,530 --> 00:01:28,110 is a perfect place to find out more 31 00:01:32,210 --> 00:01:30,540 about what those extra plants may look 32 00:01:34,070 --> 00:01:32,220 like so if we see something that looks 33 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:34,080 like a tight like EXO plant we can 34 00:01:38,870 --> 00:01:35,910 potentially remove it from this whole 35 00:01:41,210 --> 00:01:38,880 huge catalog of exoplanets and in the 36 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:41,220 same vein learning about Titan can also 37 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:43,680 tell us more about our own planets 38 00:01:48,860 --> 00:01:45,930 history specifically the prebiotic 39 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:48,870 period of Earth in the same way that are 40 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:50,850 learning about the prebiotic earth than 41 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:53,460 any potential prebiotic type plants we 42 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:55,890 find that at rocky potentially Earth's 43 00:02:00,920 --> 00:01:58,380 size we can also filter out from that 44 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:00,930 huge catalogue while looking for earth 45 00:02:07,490 --> 00:02:06,450 2.0 background for Earth and Titan just 46 00:02:09,410 --> 00:02:07,500 can't get you from all right though 47 00:02:10,279 --> 00:02:09,420 you've already seen some Titan stuff in 48 00:02:12,390 --> 00:02:10,289 the previous talks 49 00:02:14,819 --> 00:02:12,400 the big takeaway once you 50 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:14,829 to get from this is on earth we have 51 00:02:19,710 --> 00:02:17,049 liquid water and tiny we have liquid 52 00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:19,720 methane it's so cold that the methane is 53 00:02:24,569 --> 00:02:22,030 actually condensing and falling out of 54 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:24,579 that Monsieur and then of course on 55 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:25,840 earth we have dragons and Game of 56 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:26,590 Thrones 57 00:02:32,179 --> 00:02:29,260 on Titan we have dragon fly the 58 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:32,189 gyrocopter that's going to be allah 59 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:35,310 going in about 2026 60 00:02:42,349 --> 00:02:38,170 and so are there any titan like extra 61 00:02:44,729 --> 00:02:42,359 planets out there well last year 62 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:44,739 detectives were done for barnard star 63 00:02:51,449 --> 00:02:47,489 this is a system about six letters away 64 00:02:53,699 --> 00:02:51,459 and radio velocity detections showed 65 00:02:56,629 --> 00:02:53,709 evidence for a candidate planet called 66 00:02:59,129 --> 00:02:56,639 Barnard star B so the radio velocity 67 00:03:02,009 --> 00:02:59,139 detection method is simply if you have a 68 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:02,019 star by itself it's got to rotate around 69 00:03:06,569 --> 00:03:04,329 its own set of bastards who are you be 70 00:03:08,069 --> 00:03:06,579 right down to taxes once you add in a 71 00:03:10,589 --> 00:03:08,079 plan there are a number of planets the 72 00:03:12,179 --> 00:03:10,599 center of mass is going to shift and so 73 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:12,189 then the star will actually orbit that 74 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:15,489 center of mass and as it shifts based on 75 00:03:21,569 --> 00:03:19,150 the geometry of the observer you're 76 00:03:23,729 --> 00:03:21,579 gonna have to start moving away and 77 00:03:25,349 --> 00:03:23,739 towards you causing a Doppler shift and 78 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:25,359 from that Doppler shift you can actually 79 00:03:29,939 --> 00:03:28,810 pick out a planet and many exoplanets 80 00:03:31,349 --> 00:03:29,949 that we've already discovered where 81 00:03:34,589 --> 00:03:31,359 actually you've found this way this is 82 00:03:37,619 --> 00:03:34,599 one of the top ways so back to Barnard 83 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:37,629 surbhi this is about 0.14 you from it's 84 00:03:42,030 --> 00:03:39,730 so star and that may sound pretty close 85 00:03:44,699 --> 00:03:42,040 concern we're one at you from a cheat 86 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:44,709 class barnyard start Sam so that means 87 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:46,329 it's going to be putting on less energy 88 00:03:51,539 --> 00:03:49,209 and so you can be closer and it still be 89 00:03:53,729 --> 00:03:51,549 pretty cold and that's one of the 90 00:03:55,649 --> 00:03:53,739 reasons we believe this may be a Titan 91 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:55,659 like exoplanet because even though it's 92 00:04:00,869 --> 00:03:58,000 zero point for you away from its star 93 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:00,879 it's so far enough away that is probably 94 00:04:06,990 --> 00:04:05,530 along this snow life and so that led our 95 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:07,000 group to ask well could we actually 96 00:04:11,369 --> 00:04:09,370 image to this with a big Space Telescope 97 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:11,379 and I'm now just going to go through the 98 00:04:17,219 --> 00:04:13,870 process that we did to answer that 99 00:04:20,159 --> 00:04:17,229 question so first off you're gonna need 100 00:04:22,650 --> 00:04:20,169 a big telescope specifically something 101 00:04:24,930 --> 00:04:22,660 on the range of probably fifteen meters 102 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:24,940 so this is Lavar it's the large role for 103 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:27,040 violent optical infrared telescope 104 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:30,970 it's an astro 20:22 cable survey design 105 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:33,370 concept so this has not been prioritized 106 00:04:37,650 --> 00:04:35,830 or anything like that if anything when 107 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:37,660 it does if it is prioritized and 108 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:39,310 launched it wouldn't launched until 109 00:04:45,690 --> 00:04:42,970 about 2040 but as I said it's a 15 meter 110 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:45,700 this is louver RA there's also louver be 111 00:04:51,810 --> 00:04:48,850 version which is a 9 meter and here's 112 00:04:54,450 --> 00:04:51,820 this a size reference to so you can see 113 00:04:58,950 --> 00:04:54,460 you've had Hubble James weapon before so 114 00:05:01,200 --> 00:04:58,960 it's a pretty big telescope now looper 115 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:01,210 has a whole slew of instruments on it 116 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:03,250 one of them being Eclipse this is its 117 00:05:08,130 --> 00:05:05,110 coronagraph indirect imaging instrument 118 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:08,140 and that's what will allow you to 119 00:05:15,810 --> 00:05:11,770 actually directly image the planet and 120 00:05:18,270 --> 00:05:15,820 this image here in the bottom left is an 121 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:18,280 actual simulation of blue who are 122 00:05:23,580 --> 00:05:21,490 looking at our solar system 13 per 123 00:05:25,530 --> 00:05:23,590 second away and sure enough you can see 124 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:25,540 your earth you can see earth Venus and 125 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:26,860 Jupiter right there so that's where 126 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:28,870 you're actually directly imaging you can 127 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:30,370 see it where the coronagraph that's 128 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:32,260 blocked out the light and you can see 129 00:05:39,570 --> 00:05:36,010 the planets so idea was then to take 130 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:39,580 these tools and parameters and apply 131 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:41,710 them to a web interface called the 132 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:43,930 planetary spectrum generator this is a 133 00:05:49,650 --> 00:05:47,560 synthetic spectra simulator it's created 134 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:49,660 by Geronimo Villanova if you want to 135 00:05:53,130 --> 00:05:51,190 check the website you can actually go to 136 00:05:57,090 --> 00:05:53,140 the link right now or write it down and 137 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:57,100 check out later just psg and it gives 138 00:06:00,540 --> 00:05:58,810 you a whole slew of templates that you 139 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:00,550 can pick from these are Planet templates 140 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:03,130 and you can go in and edit them play 141 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:04,390 around with them you can even create 142 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:06,130 your own and load them up and run them 143 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:09,310 to create your spectra if you can do 144 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:10,450 things like play around with the 145 00:06:14,340 --> 00:06:12,330 geometry these are just some screenshots 146 00:06:16,860 --> 00:06:14,350 where you can 147 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:16,870 you've got target challenging that you 148 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:20,890 can adjust you can also mess around with 149 00:06:24,780 --> 00:06:22,960 atmospheric profiles so on the left this 150 00:06:26,790 --> 00:06:24,790 is just a pressure temperature profile 151 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:26,800 for a random template that I took a 152 00:06:33,030 --> 00:06:28,720 screenshot of and then on the right 153 00:06:35,239 --> 00:06:33,040 you've got the altitude or pressure 154 00:06:37,409 --> 00:06:35,249 verse the abundance 155 00:06:39,929 --> 00:06:37,419 and in this one you can see there's a 156 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:39,939 whole slew of gases that were put in 157 00:06:43,649 --> 00:06:41,710 there and you can remove these you can 158 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:43,659 add them you can change the profile 159 00:06:50,429 --> 00:06:47,289 shape anything you want and so what we 160 00:06:52,589 --> 00:06:50,439 did was make a very simplified Titan was 161 00:06:55,019 --> 00:06:52,599 just nitrogen and methane as we saw it 162 00:06:58,019 --> 00:06:55,029 earlier toxicities remain the main 163 00:07:00,119 --> 00:06:58,029 pieces of Titan's atmosphere and we 164 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:00,129 needed to validate the template we 165 00:07:04,140 --> 00:07:02,289 created first before we moved on to 166 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:04,150 barnard star and so we took 167 00:07:08,850 --> 00:07:06,430 observational data from back in the 90s 168 00:07:10,159 --> 00:07:08,860 with a ground-based and then this 169 00:07:13,829 --> 00:07:10,169 century with the cassini-huygens mission 170 00:07:17,999 --> 00:07:13,839 and collected that day together and 171 00:07:21,329 --> 00:07:18,009 compared it against our spectra and 172 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:21,339 these are the first results so this is a 173 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:24,370 reflectance spectrum plot on the y-axis 174 00:07:27,719 --> 00:07:25,870 you've got that beat oh you can think 175 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:27,729 this just is the shininess this is the 176 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:29,889 light reflecting off of the planet and 177 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:32,110 then the x-axis is just the wavelength 178 00:07:38,909 --> 00:07:34,120 is the light at whatever weights like 179 00:07:40,889 --> 00:07:38,919 you're talking about and we have the PSG 180 00:07:43,679 --> 00:07:40,899 or the planetary spectrum data in blue 181 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:43,689 and then a combination of the ground and 182 00:07:48,990 --> 00:07:47,050 space-based in orange and then you can 183 00:07:50,909 --> 00:07:49,000 see the methane spikes here these are 184 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:50,919 also thought it says the methane windows 185 00:07:55,740 --> 00:07:52,750 you can actually see down into Titan 186 00:07:59,369 --> 00:07:55,750 surface through these and it matches 187 00:08:01,290 --> 00:07:59,379 fairly well and another validation we 188 00:08:03,629 --> 00:08:01,300 did was look at the transit so ty 189 00:08:06,869 --> 00:08:03,639 Robinson took some of the transit some 190 00:08:08,429 --> 00:08:06,879 of the Titan data and analyzed that a 191 00:08:11,459 --> 00:08:08,439 point where Titan was actually passed 192 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:11,469 between Cassini and the Sun so that 193 00:08:15,779 --> 00:08:13,930 meant the sun's Starlight was passing 194 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:15,789 through Titan atmosphere and you could 195 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:17,740 read it as though you agree is transit 196 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:19,930 and that's what you did here same thing 197 00:08:26,999 --> 00:08:23,020 we set it up and plotted our data 198 00:08:28,829 --> 00:08:27,009 against some of Ty's observations now 199 00:08:30,029 --> 00:08:28,839 there are a few places where it's a 200 00:08:31,950 --> 00:08:30,039 little off and I wanted to first 201 00:08:32,939 --> 00:08:31,960 disappoint those out before we move on 202 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:32,949 to the next part 203 00:08:38,850 --> 00:08:35,529 so around three microns there is this 204 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:38,860 region where the PSG spikes but there's 205 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:42,010 no spike in actual data and we believe 206 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:43,750 that that's just due to missing ammonia 207 00:08:49,079 --> 00:08:45,810 and ethane the idea is that those 208 00:08:52,350 --> 00:08:49,089 species were added to our profile then 209 00:08:55,199 --> 00:08:52,360 this spike would drop back down and then 210 00:08:57,689 --> 00:08:55,209 in another region around 1 micron you 211 00:09:01,319 --> 00:08:57,699 can see here where the amplitude of some 212 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:01,329 of the peaks don't match and we believe 213 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:02,980 that's actually due to missing high 214 00:09:07,079 --> 00:09:04,510 train data high transduce high 215 00:09:10,829 --> 00:09:07,089 resolution transmission molecular 216 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:10,839 database this is a database of observed 217 00:09:17,699 --> 00:09:14,310 and calculated quantum mechanical and 218 00:09:20,429 --> 00:09:17,709 solutions to these different molecules 219 00:09:22,949 --> 00:09:20,439 and it's used for radiative transfer 220 00:09:24,870 --> 00:09:22,959 codes usually so that is psg would get 221 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:24,880 this data and use it when it does its 222 00:09:30,329 --> 00:09:27,970 radiative transfer calculations and sure 223 00:09:32,429 --> 00:09:30,339 enough you can see around 1 micron 224 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:32,439 there's there's two black bands where 225 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:34,569 there's no data and that matches very 226 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:36,569 well with the peaks that had the 227 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:38,890 different amplitudes in the previous 228 00:09:43,829 --> 00:09:41,350 plot so idea is if this count if this 229 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:43,839 data was there those Peaks were matched 230 00:09:47,819 --> 00:09:45,850 now these quantum mechanical solutions 231 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:47,829 are fairly hard to solve for certain 232 00:09:52,130 --> 00:09:49,689 species and at certain wavelengths is 233 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:52,140 essentially this becomes incredibly 234 00:09:58,590 --> 00:09:55,170 computationally expensive to solve it so 235 00:10:04,050 --> 00:09:58,600 it's possible that we may not get these 236 00:10:05,699 --> 00:10:04,060 filled in anytime soon and so once we 237 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:05,709 were comfortable with the Titan we had 238 00:10:10,259 --> 00:10:07,600 created we essentially just took it and 239 00:10:12,569 --> 00:10:10,269 moved it over to barnyard stars location 240 00:10:14,759 --> 00:10:12,579 or choose her star and put it where 241 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:14,769 Barnard star B is and that's what I'm 242 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:17,110 going to go through now so these are 243 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:20,110 first initial results using a Titan like 244 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:22,810 a Titan radius of about 2,500 kilometers 245 00:10:27,059 --> 00:10:24,850 it's the same type of chart before where 246 00:10:29,819 --> 00:10:27,069 you've got reflectance on the y axis and 247 00:10:30,809 --> 00:10:29,829 wavelength on the right and you've got 248 00:10:32,670 --> 00:10:30,819 your methane Peaks 249 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:32,680 and then the vertical bars are the noise 250 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:35,110 that's created by the PSG and then I've 251 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:37,769 added a little bit of randomness to it 252 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:42,100 and this block here this essentially 253 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:43,990 says we think this is what loon for 254 00:10:49,470 --> 00:10:47,529 would be able to see so you get a little 255 00:10:52,769 --> 00:10:49,480 bit into the visible and some into the 256 00:10:55,230 --> 00:10:52,779 IR now what if you want to play around 257 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:55,240 with the radius when you do really with 258 00:10:58,660 --> 00:10:56,990 the radial velocity technique 259 00:11:00,760 --> 00:10:58,670 you actually get a minimum mass and 260 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:00,770 there's mass raid relations that have 261 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:03,410 been developed by Y Z and Marcy there's 262 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:06,170 a paper from 2014 that you could use for 263 00:11:10,350 --> 00:11:08,510 rocky terrestrial planets and so we 264 00:11:14,110 --> 00:11:10,360 applied that using the minimum mass 265 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:14,120 calculated for Bardot to start B and got 266 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:15,649 a radius of about eighty three hundred 267 00:11:19,870 --> 00:11:17,450 kilometers so now the radius has 268 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:19,880 increased close to four times and sure 269 00:11:26,110 --> 00:11:21,529 enough you can see that the Norris bars 270 00:11:29,860 --> 00:11:26,120 drop drastically expanding our region of 271 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:29,870 detectability well into then for red all 272 00:11:36,790 --> 00:11:35,630 of them this one now part of the UV and 273 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:36,800 I just did the same thing again I 274 00:11:41,710 --> 00:11:38,690 increase the mass a little bit more and 275 00:11:43,690 --> 00:11:41,720 got ninety five hundred kilometers so it 276 00:11:45,460 --> 00:11:43,700 says the raises have gone up a little 277 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:45,470 bit and the noise bars have dropped a 278 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:48,770 little bit more and you still have about 279 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:53,570 the same range so now we can go back to 280 00:11:59,560 --> 00:11:56,089 that question that I posed earlier 281 00:12:01,180 --> 00:11:59,570 finally whether we can image a big and 282 00:12:02,829 --> 00:12:01,190 whether we can image this plant with a 283 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:02,839 big Space Telescope the answer is a 284 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:05,290 resounding yes 285 00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:07,850 and really what I'd like you to walk 286 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:10,160 away from this with if there's anything 287 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:12,370 is that Titan like exoplanets are 288 00:12:17,470 --> 00:12:14,480 characterized well with big space 289 00:12:20,170 --> 00:12:17,480 telescopes and the next plans that we 290 00:12:23,530 --> 00:12:20,180 have for this are adding on more of the 291 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:23,540 complex hydrocarbons to our profile to 292 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:25,250 then increase the complexity of our 293 00:12:30,940 --> 00:12:28,010 spectra that we're generating and that 294 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:30,950 we can see what other possible gases we 295 00:12:37,030 --> 00:12:35,450 can detect with Lubar this is our group 296 00:12:38,769 --> 00:12:37,040 back how much this women shout out and 297 00:12:40,949 --> 00:12:38,779 some of us start here in the crowd we're 298 00:12:44,170 --> 00:12:40,959 a whole mix of photochemical or modelers 299 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:44,180 chemists space policy quantum mechanics 300 00:12:50,590 --> 00:12:46,610 we have people that do clouds so very 301 00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:50,600 diverse group and do you have any 302 00:13:02,550 --> 00:12:59,730 he's camp a good talk 303 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:02,560 I was worried I was wearing the same we 304 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:13,800 hi ReadyTalk I hate this is gonna sound 305 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:15,550 like a dumb quiet all these ask please 306 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:18,010 so it says so the blue wire does that 307 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:20,890 use like the like a shield so it like 308 00:13:24,660 --> 00:13:24,250 blocks out so great right I can get back 309 00:13:37,020 --> 00:13:24,670 to it 310 00:13:44,670 --> 00:13:41,240 this is a shield to help block and then 311 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:44,680 for blocking out the light from the 312 00:13:48,210 --> 00:13:46,660 starters that it would be looking at 313 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:48,220 that would be using a coronagraph that's 314 00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:52,330 actually part of that's on the telescope 315 00:13:56,910 --> 00:13:54,880 itself there's also a possible idea of 316 00:13:59,730 --> 00:13:56,920 including the star shade who's here 317 00:14:01,260 --> 00:13:59,740 who's heard of star shade okay so that's 318 00:14:02,490 --> 00:14:01,270 another ideas you would have the star 319 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:02,500 shade which would be a completely 320 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:06,370 independent object or shade out in front 321 00:14:10,820 --> 00:14:09,430 of flew far and you know you stay in 322 00:14:14,850 --> 00:14:10,830 line with it while it's looking around 323 00:14:25,010 --> 00:14:14,860 but this at houses does not include star 324 00:14:27,510 --> 00:14:25,020 shade hey did you look at the 325 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:27,520 photochemical of stability of a type of 326 00:14:32,670 --> 00:14:30,760 hemisphere environment star so this is 327 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:32,680 all during the radio transistor I 328 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:36,190 separately so no I separately am working 329 00:14:42,750 --> 00:14:40,420 on Titan using photochemical models and 330 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:42,760 so it's possible that we're probably at 331 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:44,110 some point once we get that template 332 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:46,690 working apply will probably do similar 333 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:49,690 thing plug all of those / falls into PSG 334 00:14:57,890 --> 00:14:53,410 and run it again but now I haven't 335 00:15:01,620 --> 00:14:57,900 looked at any stability yeah thank you 336 00:15:03,060 --> 00:15:01,630 hi thanks for your talk um you alluded 337 00:15:04,829 --> 00:15:03,070 to this a little bit but I'm wondering 338 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:04,839 what you think about the whole minimum 339 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:06,670 NASA issue for this because it looks 340 00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:09,460 like the mass really like the spectrum 341 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:11,140 that you get really sensitively depends 342 00:15:15,690 --> 00:15:13,120 on mass so how do you like get the 343 00:15:19,740 --> 00:15:15,700 inclination so we don't know that 344 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:19,750 clinician that is something that maybe 345 00:15:27,870 --> 00:15:22,150 with future better observations do be it 346 00:15:29,610 --> 00:15:27,880 will get but that I mean so we stuck 347 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:29,620 around us think the nation's depending 348 00:15:32,730 --> 00:15:31,180 on the geometry if you're looking at it 349 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:32,740 like this and the stars orbiting this 350 00:15:36,690 --> 00:15:34,510 way you're not going to get any shift 351 00:15:38,579 --> 00:15:36,700 what it depending on how its tilted 352 00:15:40,650 --> 00:15:38,589 towards you you're gonna then start 353 00:15:42,439 --> 00:15:40,660 getting show and that's where the 354 00:15:44,730 --> 00:15:42,449 minimum mass comes in because then I 355 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:44,740 believe it's just something like then 356 00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:47,889 you have the sine of the angle of the 357 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:49,360 inclination equal to help you get the 358 00:15:53,790 --> 00:15:52,569 minimum mass so for this actually I was 359 00:15:56,430 --> 00:15:53,800 thinking about this sort of sitting down 360 00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:56,440 is what's stopping this from just being 361 00:16:00,179 --> 00:15:58,000 like something like a hot Jupiter or 362 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:00,189 something or any kind of much larger non 363 00:16:03,809 --> 00:16:02,439 terrestrial planet and I believe in us 364 00:16:06,689 --> 00:16:03,819 to do with the fact that this that 365 00:16:08,670 --> 00:16:06,699 Barnard sir has been studied for years 366 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,680 if actually I think decades they were 367 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:10,720 looking for just this they were sifting 368 00:16:15,449 --> 00:16:12,250 through this data for a pretty long time 369 00:16:17,579 --> 00:16:15,459 and we thought we found a planet on a 370 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:17,589 Barnard star system before and it ended 371 00:16:22,319 --> 00:16:20,170 up not being true I believe that what's 372 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:22,329 constraining this to being a terrestrial 373 00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:25,120 planet is that it's not we would have to 374 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:26,800 picked up some kind of transit or 375 00:16:31,170 --> 00:16:29,680 something else if it was larger then if 376 00:16:35,699 --> 00:16:31,180 it because right now we're not really 377 00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:35,709 able to identify exoplanets sort of that 378 00:16:39,449 --> 00:16:37,870 small but something like the transit 379 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:39,459 mounted so the fact that it hasn't 380 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:42,610 transit did I believe is why is one of 381 00:16:52,199 --> 00:16:44,110 the reasons that we can think it's still 382 00:16:55,530 --> 00:16:52,209 going to be reduced in size hi great 383 00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:55,540 talk would we be able to study these 384 00:17:02,189 --> 00:17:00,160 planets with leVoir be no Lavar be had 385 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,199 the merest too small year of issues 386 00:17:06,449 --> 00:17:04,480 worth resolving power and enter working 387 00:17:10,289 --> 00:17:06,459 angle and it's no it wouldn't you 388 00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:10,299 wouldn't be able to do this alright and 389 00:17:13,409 --> 00:17:11,860 i think it's about time if you have any